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Memories as a pioneering ski patroller and nurse:(Part 2:2) Cinnamon Rolls and Yellow Merit Stars, A Patroller's Tale
Carol Fountain takes us on a nostalgic journey through her remarkable career with the Bogus Basin Ski Patrol, revealing how morning meetings became history lessons and cinnamon rolls turned into coveted prizes. Her leadership philosophy centered around recognition—making sure every patroller felt valued for their contributions, something she believes remains crucial for today's patrol leaders. (Part 2 of 2; Pam Carson in audience too)
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So give me a little I don't know insight into the culture of the Bogus Basin, ski Patrol. I mean, what's it like? You know? Are there any? You know goofy people, are there the serious people? You know the people who lead? What's it like up on the mountain? If I was to go there and didn't because I really don't know much about the Bogus Basin, you know Ski Patrol give me some insights. Don't know much about the Bogus Basin, you know ski patrol.
Carol Fountain:Give me some insights. That's kind of difficult to do because I have been an alumna for many years.
Murphy:Well, give it to me like. Well, you know, it transcends one generation. Let's say so when you were on the patrol.
Carol Fountain:What was it like? It was always fun. We always had, of course, the morning meeting, and I did. I was a patrol leader. Oh what in the 80s, trying to think 82 or 81, no, I had to been, must have been 81 anyway. Um, and I was then trying to again incorporate all of the values and this, the things of the ski patrol, into those members in the morning meeting. And so I started having quizzes and I would have prizes, like a big can of popcorn as the prize for whoever answered.
Carol Fountain:Who is the division director? When do the tours start? Who was the guy who really started it? Where did it start? So we did focus a lot on history, because there was no history class for these guys to learn that, and so that was. And a lot of times I was the one that brought the cinnamon rolls or the cake or whatever up. A lot of times I was the one that brought the cinnamon rolls or the cake or whatever up, and whoever won the cake got to take it to the hut on the backside or whatever, and so it's like, yes, we have dessert, but anyway, then that was always fun because it was a learning situation for them, but I had gotten into teaching and so it was a teaching opportunity for me, so it was fun.
Carol Fountain:There were always a couple of goofballs. One of them may have had the moniker of the accident prone guy, because he was always the one who got injured, even though it wasn't a major injury. He got injured during the season four or five times. Let's see what other kinds of. Oh and then there was always Hank Gemmel. I don't know if you guys ever knew Hank Gemmel. He was a longtime member on the ski patrol and Hank had the ESP and the directional. He was the first one to accidents. Almost every year he got the award for being the most.
Murphy:The ambulance chaser.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, well, yeah, you might call it that.
Jodie:He sounds like Jack, the way you described Jack always first at a scene. Yeah, there you go.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, that's what Hank was, and we just knew if Hank is on the radio, uh-oh, we're going to. You know he's going to call in the accident, because he said I'm headed over to whatever run and sure enough he would come across the accident, and sometimes in strange places, like Hank. How did you get there? Well, I thought I'd go through there and I found this guy. Anyway.
Murphy:It is amazing how every patrol has somebody like that.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, uh-huh. But, again, that's the family, that's the community aspect of it.
Murphy:Again, yeah, all right, so we're going to shift gears a little bit. I want to talk about since you've got so many years of service, about some of your awards that you received over the years, because I hear that you have a few and I'm hoping you know you have a long written list of all this stuff, but you know we'll take it verbally what awards have you gotten over the years and you know what positions have you been in and things that you've done. You know, at the ski area.
Carol Fountain:One of the things, of course, I was the patrol leader of the Bogus Basin Patrol and I was voted the the outstanding patroller of the year locally um, and that in those days we didn't really do a lot for moving the local people, the nominees, on to region or division. We didn't have anybody who was designated as the until I took over that.
Jodie:So you were responsible for trying to help pass on information from your local to region, to division, et cetera. Correct, yeah?
Carol Fountain:yeah, one time I was the regional awards, regional Southern Idaho region awards person and I was then getting nominations and writing things up because I could write. I was one of my skills because of, I guess, because of what I am, but anyway, so I could write.
Jodie:So what timeframe was that? When you said you were, you mentioned that you were the bogus patient, national outstanding and then also the Region Advisor. But what years were those?
Carol Fountain:Would have been probably in the late 70s to the middle 80s. I got my national appointment in 1982. My national appointment in 1982, oh, and that's an interesting story, because I had been in St Louis for six weeks attending some classes there and flew home from St Louis and I had a roommate back there. She had a bad cold. I flew home on a Friday night and my mother said the national Convention was going to be in McCall. It was division, maybe division it was going to be in McCall. And my mom said, oh, it's McCall, I want to go along. So my mom and my aunt went along.
Carol Fountain:Well, I got up Saturday morning, we drove up there. I got up Saturday morning, we drove up there and at the banquet Saturday night I didn't feel well. I just I was having trouble breathing and I couldn't move very fast. And they called national number 5980, carroll Fountain, and I thought they just called my name. I have to go up there, I have to go get, I have to be up there and it was. It took me a while to process and get up there. Well, I got home at Sunday night and took my temperature and it was 104. Not 100.4, 104. So your mom knew about this 0.4, 104.
Jodie:So your mom knew about this cohorted you to get up there. Even with fever here, take some Tylenol, you'll be okay, kid you know, I went to the doctor and I had pneumonia, oh my gosh.
Carol Fountain:But anyway, so that was 1982 up at McCall. And then regional. Oh, this is something that I don't know if you guys know about. It's a regional award called the Eddie Orbea Award and it has not been awarded in several years because people don't know about it. Again, it is for professionalism in first aid within the Within the Southern Idaho region. So I got that award.
Jodie:Oh, when was that? Oh Ooh, okay, how about? Which decade?
Carol Fountain:I would guess late 80s, early 90s.
Jodie:Wow, because you know it's interesting I'm hearing about now. I know that Northwest has their Miller Award for their region. I know Y-East has the John Keyes Memorial Award for their region and you named him, eddie. What was the name of the gentleman?
Carol Fountain:Eddie Orbea. And it was named after him due to after him due to he was a um, a 10th mountain division veteran, and joined the ski patrol in 1938 or 39, so he was a long time member wow area and always he was focusing on first aid and and he helped teach a lot of the classes and so and he would, he was a great guy in in our patrol in our region wow, that's, that's awesome old timers know eddie, knew eddie.
Carol Fountain:But um, new people have no idea. In up in the bogus basin uh patrol building there is a memorial to Eddie. It has his jacket, he's got some of the books that he had, et cetera. And a lot of people say who's that? Why don't we just get rid of that?
Jodie:And I was like oh no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. History history history.
Murphy:So when you say, eddie, is it E-D-D-Y or E-B-B-Y?
Carol Fountain:E-D-D-I-E.
Murphy:It was.
Carol Fountain:Edward C Orbea O-R-B-E-A. Orbea, basque ancestry.
Jodie:Wow, that is amazing. That's pretty special.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, anyway. So then further on I got I had changed to the building the auxiliary at that time in around 2000, around 2000, I think, if not earlier, and so then I got the region award for outstanding auxiliary and then I got the national outstanding auxiliary in 2003.
Murphy:Oh, you have a national.
Carol Fountain:I have a gold merit star.
Murphy:I was going to say that's a gold merit star Good for you.
Jodie:That's awesome and that was for being auxiliary, and for people that are listening to this that may not be aware that that has had a tradition of different names but auxiliary, some places call it associate.
Carol Fountain:It's. I have a yellow merit star for helping to critique or edit the OEC manual to, I think, fourth edition I went through. I was one of the people who looked at it before it was published.
Murphy:How many chapters did you add? That's just what.
Carol Fountain:I want to know.
Murphy:And then I think I got another yellow merit star, but I don't remember, Do you?
Carol Fountain:have two merits or three. Well, a yellow merit star. I got a yellow one.
Murphy:Hey, just getting a merit star period is an accomplishment, that is. I mean, you're going up against everybody in the organization. So for you to get first, second or third, yeah, that is something.
Carol Fountain:But remember I could write.
Murphy:Now, honestly, did you write your own award? I want to know.
Jodie:No, hey, you know what it helps if you're a good writer.
Murphy:I've seen some of these awards come down and they're truthful, it's just they elaborate and they have some great writing that's involved. It's like, oh man, can we come up with a chat? Gpt for awards, writing for the ski patrol? Just feed in all these things and it comes out with this flowery stuff. That's there, oh yeah, hey, Pam, I got an idea for you.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, I was going to say that's what Pam does at the divisional meetings. Oh, and then I think the second yellow Maristar I got was for being a division first aid advisor. I think I can't remember. Maybe I didn't even get one then, but anyway. And then in 2013, I got a Distinguished Service Award, DSM.
Murphy:Oh, what'd you get that for?
Carol Fountain:That's me no.
Jodie:DSA. The DSA is for lifelong achievement of multiple, multiple things over her course of action. It's not related usually to one thing or whatever, but I mean in 2013,. So that would have been what I got. To do my math real quick 30, 40, 40 years of service in the National Ski Patrol. So were you involved on any national level? I mean, you did the critique, you were one of the editors, or should say reviewers, for the fourth edition, and, but were you on any committees for the national level or region or division?
Carol Fountain:I have been a judge of awards for region and division and national for several years. Nice, I have not done any national for probably four or five years. Because well, five years. Because I changed addresses and they sent the forms out to the old address oh no, but the forms on the day that they were supposed to be sent in and I had to call and chew out the people at the next office because there was no way I could get them in that day because I had just gotten them in the mail in the afternoon.
Murphy:Oh sorry.
Jodie:Hey Carol, you were the division OEC advisor, correct? Uh-huh. And when was that? When I came on in 2002, I know that you were. You were the I thought the OEC advisor at that point.
Carol Fountain:So it must have been somewhere around 2000 to 2002. It was Janie San Ramone then took over Right right. Somewhere around 2000 to 2002 is when I was yeah.
Jodie:Okay, because, yeah, I remember meeting you at it was Wenatchee, at the Boy Scouts building. That's where some of the events happened. Yes, yeah, that was fun going over there.
Carol Fountain:It was, and it was always educational, I mean, then you got to do some networking with other people, so it was great.
Murphy:So we have Distinguished Service Award, we've got three Merit Stars, we have the Eddie's Award.
Carol Fountain:You're famous, almost, so what else do you have? I mean, do you have other regional?
Murphy:awards and what I mean.
Carol Fountain:That's incredible well outside the ski patrol, of course, I I've been in nursing, and so I have received some awards from not really awards, but recognition from some nursing organizations too.
Murphy:Well, what do you have there?
Carol Fountain:I was a visitor for accreditation of associate degree nursing programs and this was for National League for Nursing. And so they would call me and say we need you to go to Montana to this school. And so I would go and we had criteria and we would visit with all of the students and the faculty and the president in the hospitals. And then I did that for probably 15 years and then they also asked me to run to be on the Board of Review which met in New York every January and June to make final decisions based on the reports that we made out in the field. So I was on that for and that's for school accreditation.
Murphy:Is that what that is?
Carol Fountain:School accreditation. Nursing school accreditation yes.
Jodie:Wow, sort of like a sub of JACO.
Carol Fountain:It was, yeah, kind of similar kind of things, yeah.
Jodie:And for those that don't know, jaco, it's the accreditation for hospitals.
Carol Fountain:Oh, interesting's the accreditation for hospitals.
Jodie:Oh, interesting. My commission on accreditation, yes, oh my goodness. Wow, that's amazing.
Murphy:You have had a long and storied career, as they say, so you know, being that, you've got so much experience with the patrol. How has the patrol changed or evolved since you started up until you went alumni? Because we've heard, you know stories that you know back in the 60s, 70s, you know the patrollers, the volunteer patrol ran the mountain and then things started to change. So what's your experience with that?
Carol Fountain:The patrol for the longest time was the organization that took care of everything on Saturday and on Sunday and they didn't have paid patrollers that worked then, because the paid patrollers worked Monday through Friday, or we even had patrollers at night. They would have some paid patrollers at night. And one of the things that changed was the increased demand. Increased demand I mean demand probably isn't the right word but the increased need for uh, the more advanced, the emts, the paramedic kind of thing. And that's again where uh oec came in to, because we used to have, you know, a skinny little first aid book, wec book, and now you look at those thick books. That's because it has to increase the skills, the knowledge and everything of the patrollers that are out there on the hill, because the atmosphere on the hill has changed too More people, more injuries, people don't care what they do or what happens. And again I go back to young adult males, because women have a lot of skills and a lot of behaviors that help take care of accident patients.
Carol Fountain:We've gotten younger people involved. Because they're young I'm thinking high schooler, junior high high schooler. Those people are getting involved in community things and so they want to also do something in the community. So they're joining ski patrol and they go off to college and there's still a ski patrol somewhere. So that's one thing. What else?
Murphy:Oh, OK, no, it's just how the ski patrol has changed. So you know, given what you just said, if you were going to talk to somebody who is thinking about joining the ski patrol, what advice would you give them? And you know what direction, would you point them in a certain way, or what?
Carol Fountain:point them in a certain way or what.
Carol Fountain:One of the things that many ski patrol candidates don't realize is the time commitment, and so that's one thing to remind them is that you can't just go to you know a two-hour class and then show up on the hill and take care of patients.
Carol Fountain:You have to be trained at that entry level, first responder level, and so it takes time, it takes commitment, it takes part of your family life, unless your family then becomes part of the ski patrol family, family then becomes part of the ski patrol family. That's one of the things that is kind of a detriment for people trying to or thinking about joining the ski patrol. But again, it's the camaraderie, it's the family, the ski patrol family, it's the companionship, it's the communication, it's the community, and the area at least Bogus Basin, which is a community-owned area, it's not owned by another big corporation anywhere the area has recognized that the ski patrol is valuable, and for a while I won't go into detail but for a while it was, uh, not valued, and so now again it's becoming more, more of value, and and they're saying, okay, you guys are on the hill, you take care of things because you're on the hill yeah, that's.
Murphy:Didn't Bogus Basin get rid of the volunteer patrol for a short while? No, who was that? That was a different.
Carol Fountain:A couple of different areas in southern Idaho region.
Murphy:Oh, okay, interesting. So what's one tradition? If I had to narrow it down to one, one tradition in the ski patrol, or within the ski patrol that you hope patrollers don't forget.
Carol Fountain:One of the things that especially officers tend to not because they're busy doing, you know all of the patrol leader and all of those kind of things the things they don't do is pay enough attention to recognizing the work that the basic patroller is doing. And so what I'm leading up to is awards. I was, like I say I was, an awards person for the region and that's one of the things that I tried to get the region areas to do is okay, you know, send me a name and you know who did what did your patrol say about these individuals? And then we could start writing up the award forms. And one of the things I hope they continue is that recognition that everybody does their job. Everybody does their job well, so give them some recognition for doing that job. How's that, yeah?
Murphy:no, that's fantastic. I mean, we can't double their salary.
Carol Fountain:So we've got to find out.
Murphy:You know another way to recognize them for what they do, because there are a lot of hours that get spent on the patrol, you know, as you, you know, stay on the patrol for a while, you realize it is time intensive, it is time intensive. So, especially if you are what I like to call the double and triple volunteers, people who are not only in the volunteer organization itself but then you volunteer for another role and then you volunteer for, you know, oec head and region and division.
Murphy:Yeah, I mean, those are really special people and they contribute a lot to what goes on.
Carol Fountain:Yes, definitely. And again that's a heavy time commitment that they have to realize, but it is also so rewarding for themselves. I mean, for the patroller who does a good job and is recognized for that. It's like wow, I'm pretty good after all. I'm worth something in this organization.
Murphy:And it's nice to see the smile on somebody's face when they get an award. I don't care how mundane you think it is. When they get called up at the end of the year, at awards banquet or whatever, everyone is beaming. I don't care who it is, it is really nice to see that.
Carol Fountain:Yes, unless it's the bedpan award.
Murphy:Yeah, I've even gotten that, and that did put a smile on my face. I had to laugh because I did earn it that one year. I'm not going to tell you what it's for, though, but but so the younger generation, you know the people that are out patrolling now or that are coming in. What do you hope they understand about ski patrol?
Carol Fountain:of the patrol is to again going back to safety safety of those individuals on the hill, whether they're boarders or skiers or whatever that their job is to make sure that that recreational opportunity is safe for those individuals.
Murphy:Yeah, for those of you that can't see jody is cheering right now. Yeah, I am mega cheering.
Jodie:I am 100 with you, carol, like I boy.
Carol Fountain:Uh, yes, I'm inspired I I know that service and safety is some of the, the or the values of the patrol, and the patrol just means service and safety. They're out on the hill, they're serving the community, they're serving that area, they're serving, you know, the, the NSP. But they're also making sure that those people, those community skiers boarders, whatever out on the hill are safe community skiers boarders whatever out on the hill are safe, All right.
Murphy:So, Jodi, you get to ask your final question, the one. That's just a lot for you.
Jodie:Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. So, basically, I mean you've touched a little bit onto it, but we're going to expand just a bit, but upholding the NSP creed, which is service and safety since 1938. So you know, we are preserving our past while building the connections for the future. How would you, what do you, what does that sort of mean to you, the service and safety Expand it a little bit more, or maybe going from when you first started to when you ended? Is there anything else you'd like to add to that?
Carol Fountain:Well, one of the things to remember is that ski patrollers have unique skills. Yes, we are a first responder, so we've got some of those skills, but we've also got people skills out on the hill and that's part of the service, again, to that recreational public that's out there. If you've got, you know, an eight-year-old girl that has fallen down and she doesn't like being in the snow and she's crying, and all that you've got to be able to to communicate with that little child at that time in that situation, and not many other people can do that, but ski patrollers can't, because that's part of what they do is taking care of that recreational public on the hill.
Murphy:I like that.
Jodie:That is awesome. Yes, definitely. We've had some amazing responses to that and it's just, it's like you said, from when you mentioned you brought up different things of history at the morning meetings and and it is, it's always been for me. You know you go in and you think, okay, it's just your patrol, and it's amazing over time of how much of an organization we belong to and represent and the people that became, you know that came before us. Just amazing people and so really appreciate that. Thank you very much. But Pam, did you have any questions? Thoughts? She's been Carol's support person here.
Murphy:Incognito.
Carol Fountain:She hasn't had a chance.
Pam Carson:I've just been listening and writing a lot of stuff down. I want to go back and say Carol was my very first nursing instructor. Oh, and I have been in there. I got that in. Well, I had to take half a quarter off 1978, 79, something like that, oh my goodness. So we go way back.
Jodie:Murphy's out here. We're just going to have to have Murph be an honorary nurse. Right, right, yeah, you're be a honorary nurse.
Murphy:We're geeking out in nurses in this interview here I'm doing this math of you were like 1978, 79.
Pam Carson:Yeah, I was 22.
Murphy:Yeah, I was in eighth grade.
Pam Carson:You can go away.
Murphy:Sorry Pam, that can go away. Yeah, sorry Pam, that's all right. That's all right.
Pam Carson:But I remember she would take us up the hill in her truck, or something. Carol, a truck, a truck. And one time I'm allergic to cashews and one time, you know, the bogus had an ice cream bar and they had nuts and I got sick and I had to lay in the back bed of her camper, or something.
Murphy:Oh, going through anaphylactic shock in the back of the truck.
Pam Carson:No, it was never that bad. Yeah. So I have some memories and we I don't remember how many of us Carol would always make us do little skits. We were in the nursing home that was for our log rolling and our bed baths and stuff, and and there was a little thing amongst our group that if we could get her laughing we might not have to do as much.
Murphy:And the plan comes out laughing.
Pam Carson:But no. So I've known her and admired her throughout the years, many, many, many years, and I've always looked up to her for her leadership the years, many, many, many years, and have always looked up to her for her leadership. I attend the Old Timers I'm like an honorary member of the Old Timers Club and it's kind of fun because they kind of ply me with questions and what's going on with Bogus and I tell them and then I try to recruit them to help. They were our hospitality hosts at the last convention. Some of them sat in there and hosted. That was fun. They're a good group of people. She has a reputation that the only reason Bogus has awards is because of Carol Fountain. She denies it, but that's what it is.
Murphy:She denies it, but that's what she denies it, but it's true everybody.
Pam Carson:Um, I know she's had her hands in many, many awards, but I wanted to ask her what she thinks a national appointee should. Um, maybe some qualities that would make someone a good national appointment.
Carol Fountain:Again, years of service is important, not just because it's years but because of what happens in those years of service. So what kind of offices have they held? What kind of assistance had they given to other patrols, other areas in the area? What kind of help have they given? What kind of offices have they held? I guess, if you want to put it that way, but a national appointment is an honorary when, because it's not recently but it was not reflecting their involvement, total involvement in the ski patrol system and the ski patrolling, and again the community, the ski patrol community, and again the community the ski patrol community.
Jodie:It's like everything Over time things evolve and we improve and learn from our past.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, yeah, so anyway.
Murphy:Yeah, I mean the ski patrol has changed. From stories we've gotten in the past, people snuck in onto the patrol at 14 years old. And you know, when they were 18, they've been there for, like you know, they've got four years underneath their belt. Yeah, it's interesting, yeah. Yeah, that is a good standard for what to look for in a national appointment, because that is a special honor. I mean, you look at how many people will get that, and it's not very many.
Carol Fountain:Since 1938,. You know there's 10,000, 11,000 or whatever numbers, so you know that's not a huge number of people that have received that honor and I consider it a privilege to have that honor.
Murphy:Yeah, considering we have what 200,000 or something patrollers.
Jodie:We're over that. We're in the 30,000 range.
Murphy:No, no, no, I'm talking about how many patrollers there have been since 1938. Not like national appointment but just people who've been in the ski patrol.
Jodie:A lot of people. Yeah, yes, I wonder if that number is known Huh.
Murphy:Pam, you got to search that one out, yeah.
Jodie:And for those that don't, we're listening, pam Carson is our division's co-advisor and so, besides being bogus basin, so she's one of the experts there.
Murphy:But and taking notes from Carol Fountain who's? Coming to the division convention so we can say hi to her in person this year.
Carol Fountain:I'm not coming to Everett. No, sorry, that's a long drive. I just had to drive to Vancouver, washington and, you know, battleground, and then back over the weekend, and so I'm done driving for a while.
Murphy:You can't say that I didn't try.
Jodie:But you'll be going in Bogus Basin next year right.
Carol Fountain:Yes, when the Southern Idaho region is hosting, or the Pacific North, yes, the region is hosting it here, so I will be here.
Jodie:That will be great to be able to see you again. That's awesome.
Murphy:All right, well, as we wrap up, you know I'm always amazed, jodi, and I started this thing and I've said it many times where you know we thought well, you think we'll get people to talk to us, for you know 10, 15 minutes and they're an hour, and you know an hour and 10-2 hours so we're kind of wrapping this up because it's been over an hour, but is there anything you want to add to our chat, anything you want to say as a final comment?
Carol Fountain:one of the things is that I know that, uh, shirley and jody have been trying to get us to write things down. Well, when you listen to the things that I have done in the ski patrol, it would take forever for me to write all that down. So that's why I haven't written, because it's too hard to try to organize and put something in writing. But doing this chat has been easy. So you have some history from me and I don't have to spend hours writing it out. I have to do some other writing for other organizations that I'm in.
Murphy:Well, that's good. Well, I'm really glad that we had an opportunity to talk to you and get some of that history down so that it'll be here for the future. It's always nice.
Pam Carson:And I'm always impressed. Yeah, carol, you were our instructor development instructor. For how many years?
Jodie:Oh, that's right.
Carol Fountain:Yes, that's right. Oh, how many years was that?
Jodie:When did you start?
Carol Fountain:When instructor development started.
Jodie:And that was in the late 80s, if I'm correct. I know we were talking to Mary Lou about this. Yeah, and I think it was the late 80s because she was overseas in Germany and, if I'm recalling listening to back over some of this, I think like 1988-ish when the International was conducting some of that.
Carol Fountain:Yeah, that sounds about right. We went from phase one and phase two instructor development, so I was an instructor in phase one and phase two and then started in instructor development. So yeah, I've forgotten about that, sorry.
Pam Carson:thank you, pam well, I, I took over for you, so that's why you did that and then how many years did you?
Jodie:was that region local division or what was that region region? And then, when did you take it over? What pam? When did you take it over? Oh, in um may of 2021 yeah, carol, you did this from the late 80s to the 21. You did it for 40 years for a long time.
Pam Carson:Yes, holy toledo okay, wow, and you forgot about it, carol yeah, how'd you let that slip? It's just part of her life.
Jodie:Like I say it would have been almost impossible for me to write all of these things down, See, so even more so you'll have to start thinking of some people that we can talk to with Patroller Chats and getting a lot more of this out there.
Murphy:Yeah, yeah, it's always helpful. Yeah, so we'll talk to you off the podcast and you can give us some more names, all right, well, we're going to wrap this up. Thank you, carol. I appreciate you spending the time with us and chatting and just giving us some of your personal history.
Carol Fountain:Definitely. Thank you for asking me for it. Like I say now, I don't have to write it.
Jodie:Shirley will be very thankful for you. Oh, I'm sure, okay.
